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What if we were both drinking?.

Then say nothing about it until you have advice. The sentence feels even-handed and it does two things at once: it supplies the incapacity element for the other party, and it suggests you were too impaired to assess their state - which under most policies is worse for you, not better.
THE SENTENCE TO NEVER SAY
“We were both really drunk.” It has probably damaged more defensible cases than any other single line in this practice.
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THE BRIEFING · MUTUAL INTOXICATION

Almost every contested campus case involves drinking on both sides, and almost every respondent reaches for the same sentence to explain it. It is the wrong sentence.

Why it is not even-handed.

Campus policies are not symmetrical on intoxication. A complainant’s impairment is potentially an element of the violation; a respondent’s impairment is not a defense and is rarely treated as mitigating. So a statement describing both parties as heavily intoxicated hands the investigator one half of their case and gives you nothing in return.

The knowledge element makes it worse.

Most policies ask whether the respondent knew or reasonably should have known that the other person was incapacitated. A respondent who says they were themselves very drunk is describing a diminished ability to assess the other person’s state - which, under that element, supports rather than answers the allegation. It is the clearest example in this practice of a sentence that feels fair and functions as a concession.

What the record shows instead.

Capacity is not memory. The evidence that matters is behavioural and timestamped: messages composed coherently, rides booked, payments made, doors unlocked, conversations held. That material speaks to what either party was actually doing during the relevant window, and it does not require anyone to characterise how drunk anybody was. Preserving it is the first task; describing intoxication is not a task at all.

Amnesty first.

Where underage drinking or drug use is part of the honest account, many institutions - and in New York, Education Law section 6442 - protect students who report or participate from conduct charges arising from that use. Asking in writing whether amnesty applies, before describing anything about substances, is what allows an honest account without creating a second charge. It applies to your witnesses too, and telling them so frequently unlocks the testimony a capacity defense needs.

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WHY IT HURTS YOU
Six points.
Mutual intoxication is not a mutual defense. The policies are not symmetrical.
POINT 01
It supplies their element
You volunteer the intoxication the investigator would otherwise have to establish.
SELF-INFLICTED
POINT 02
Your own drinking is not a defense
It does not excuse conduct and it is rarely treated as mitigating.
ASYMMETRIC
POINT 03
The knowledge element
Most policies ask what you knew or should have known. Impairment cuts against you.
WORSE
POINT 04
Capacity is not memory
Their inability to remember is not incapacity. Do not concede it for them.
THE DISTINCTION
POINT 05
Conduct-code exposure
Underage drinking disclosed in an interview can be charged separately.
SECOND CHARGE
POINT 06
Amnesty may apply
In New York and at many institutions. Ask in writing before describing anything.
ASK FIRST
The evidence, not the adjective. What matters is not how drunk anyone was but what the record shows either party doing - messages composed, rides ordered, doors unlocked. That is capacity evidence. “Very drunk” is a concession.
WHAT TO DO INSTEAD
Four moves.
Preserve the behavioural record and let it speak.
01Say nothing about substances
Until counsel has read the policy and the amnesty provision.
02Preserve the behavioural record
Messages, rides, payments, access logs from the relevant window.
03Ask about amnesty in writing
It changes what you and your witnesses can safely describe.
04Argue capacity, not memory
On the documents, and never as an attack on the complainant.
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